Bad car opinion thread

"CB" (jrcb) 11/09/2020 at 19:48 • Filed to: Opinions are like Assholes

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As much fun as the Miata guys have, I really have no desire to ever drive or own one. There are many more cars I’d rather spend money on and have take up driveway space.

What’s your garbage take?

PowderHound > CB 11/09/2020 at 19:57

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I share that take. I’m sure they are fun and capable but I have no want for one.
Garbage take : VW makes no desirable cars

The Snowman > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:00

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I rode in one once with a hardtop and have never felt more folded up in my life. I'm a skinny 1.95 and just did not fit. Worse than a MR2 but just ever so slightly worse.

Just Jeepin' > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:00

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If it can’t carry a full-sized spare, it’s a toy.

Milky > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:01

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Don’t make me drive to Canada and get arrested.

interstate366, now In The Industry > PowderHound 11/09/2020 at 20:04

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Both of these takes.

My additional take: the new Focus and Fiesta are ugly and I’m glad they didn’t come to North America.

CB > PowderHound 11/09/2020 at 20:04

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Bold statement that’s totally understandable.

TheJWT > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:12

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Wagons are overrated

Gulf and Martini are played out

Only heavy duty trucks should have diesels

I’d rather have a watercooled 911 than an aircooled 911 , and even then I’d take any sports car over one

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:14

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Porsches don’t do anything for me. They are boring. They bore me.

My bird IS the word > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:14

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I’m too tall for an na miata at 6'1". That should be all you need to know IMO

Its a chick car. Aint nothing wrong with that. Chicks need something fun to drive.

Bmws are hideous. I like the 2002, the m1 , and some of the 80s fascias . Thats it.

Frankly, I don’t get the appeal of luxury sedans at all. Wagons get a pass.

Lastly, I feel bad for the people that like 80s-90s econoboxes. Sorry 75% of oppo.

TheJWT > PowderHound 11/09/2020 at 20:15

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And they haven’t since they stopped mak ing the Corrado

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:15

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BMW's are overrated by a ton

sony1492 > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:17

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Garbage take? I really couldn’t care about the emissions of any used light duty vehicle

jeepoftheseus > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:19

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Full sized t rucks and SUVs are perfectly fine family vehicles for families with regular trips/hobbies (camping, boating, horseback riding , hunting etc.)

Does a clean black GMC Sierra with a bed cover scream desk jockey? Yes. Is it possible that the owner has kids in car seats and prefers to put a deer in a truck bed as opposed to a trunk but only wants on vehicle ... also yes.

Yeah the person with the diesel is probably overcompensating unless they haul campers or  horse trailers through the mountains but they could also just like the higher resale value.

Full disclosure: I do not own a pick up truck.

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:22

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I prefer autos to manuals. 

jeepoftheseus > Just Jeepin' 11/09/2020 at 20:23

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... looks at TJ that hasn’t carried its spare in over a year. Uhhh yeah, it CAN carry it.

To be fair though the spare gets thrown in the back and strapped down on trips out of town. This year hasn’t had a lot of those though. 

flatisflat > PowderHound 11/09/2020 at 20:23

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I sometimes find a particular VW package attractive, but am then  reminded they are a VW and thus will break down prematurely, be numb to pilot, or break down prematurely.

flatisflat > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/09/2020 at 20:24

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How daaaaaaaaaaaaaare you!!!   ;P 

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:25

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The Volvo 240 has all the shitty features and lack of personality that the Panther has, but without the good V8 noises. So it’s just the worst. 

just-a-scratch > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:25

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Short bed pickup trucks are pointless.

Pickup trucks often make reasonable daily drivers.

All sports cars are impractical.

Volvo has never made a good looking car.

Air cooled VWs are overrated.

Audi is just overpriced VW.

BMW hasn’t made an interesting car in over 10 years.

Boxer engines sound like garbage.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:26

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LS engines are reliable.

Meanwhile, https://oppositelock.kinja.com/its-dead-jim-1845534867

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > My bird IS the word 11/09/2020 at 20:26

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I hate the chick car stigma for the Miata, as I would wager that the male to female ratio of owners is 75% in the males favor, if not more. 

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:27

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Anything which can’t meet all the * car* safety regs (i.e. 4x4s and big-ass pickups) should be speed limited to 50mph. That way only people who really needed the functionality would drive them and the rest of us would be safer.

In unrelated news, Gulf livery is insipid and ugly.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:28

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Oh yeah, the 987 Cayman looks bad, along with every convertible 911(Targa  excluded.)

benn454 > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:29

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 Porsches and Audis are overpriced Volkswagens. German cars in general are also overrated. 

WilliamsSW > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:33

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FWD sucks. I haven't owned a FWD car in 20 years and hope to never own another. 

benn454 > WilliamsSW 11/09/2020 at 20:35

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 This is the bad opinions thread, not the demonstrable facts thread. 

punkgoose17 > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:38

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I'd like to put a Cisitalia 202 / Allied Swallow body on a Miata.

TheJWT > just-a-scratch 11/09/2020 at 20:39

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No lies detected

punkgoose17 > flatisflat 11/09/2020 at 20:40

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And be difficult to fix.

interstate366, now In The Industry > benn454 11/09/2020 at 20:40

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Nah, it’s a bad opinion. Drive wheels aren’t everything. My current fleet has four different engine/drive wheel configurations (FF, FA,  FR, MR) and the FF car is just as fun as the others.

interstate366, now In The Industry > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/09/2020 at 20:44

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Honestly, I think the stereotype is more of a gay man’s car than a chick car. I can count on one hand the number of women I’ve met that had Miatas.

benn454 > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/09/2020 at 20:45

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 I just don't like understeer and torque steer. Plus, they're a pain to work on compared to RWD.

interstate366, now In The Industry > TheJWT 11/09/2020 at 20:46

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I’ll take the livery thing one step further and say that all racing liveries on street cars are dumb.

Shoop > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:46

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Split rims look trash on all non race cars. 

Stef Schrader > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:49

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That’s not a garbage take. That’s the correct take.

I got so much hate mail for this and in hindsight, I should’ve been more obvious that I want people to drive cars they enjoy , but I am correct: https://jalopnik.com/i-hate-miatas-1785135853

I spent way too much time enjoying how those cars drive but hating everything else about the experience, from the wind-chap to the sunburn to the hair in my mouth. Convertibles are dumb, and no expensive add-on hardtop can fix how stupid it is in comparison to buying something a real roof if you’re not a convertible fan.

Also, the Miata hella looks like a suppository.

subexpression > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:50

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I have zero interest in Miatas.

I don’t care about   “ hot hatches ” . I want my h atchbacks   practical, which means efficient, quiet, and no touchy controls .

I think a lot of thos e old small sedans people have been pining over recently were shit . The time frame people are getting nostalgic over had a lot of poor quality cars , and the cheap sedans were built cheaply . I don’t miss them.

interstate366, now In The Industry > benn454 11/09/2020 at 20:50

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I don’t know, my 2JZ has an oil leak that requires taking the timing belt off to fix, and my Fiero, well, it’s a mid-engine car.

As for not liking under steer and torque steer, that’s subjective, but my Prelude doesn’t have much of either.

Jewish Stig > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:52

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A legitimate family car should be a sedan or a wagon.

And not a monstrosity, that is the size of a small bus

Poor_Sh > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 11/09/2020 at 20:52

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!!!!!!

WilliamsSW > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/09/2020 at 20:53

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That’s why I posted it to the bad opinion post :).

I'm sure there are fun FWD cars,  but I hate all the weight on the front wheels, the understeer,  and torque steer too.  

Poor_Sh > CB 11/09/2020 at 20:55

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I have never found a single vehicle larger than say a crossover attractive at all. Sure, some are cool-ish in a utilitarian way or might have some interesting aspects. But no, they will never be attractive.

just-a-scratch > flatisflat 11/09/2020 at 20:56

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Of your 3 VW outcomes listed, 2 break down prematurely. Sounds like the experience my friends have had.

My bird IS the word > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/09/2020 at 21:04

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If it is a modern car, and it can’t fit a modern guy, it’s a chick car.

just-a-scratch > CB 11/09/2020 at 21:10

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A complete wheel should not be referred to as a rim. A rim is only a part of a completely assembled wheel.

power for a car should always be measured at the tire.

CVT transmissions are great.

All automobiles are too heavy.

interstate366, now In The Industry > WilliamsSW 11/09/2020 at 21:12

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I don’t get why so many people complain about torque steer. I haven’t had much of a problem with it.

Milky > My bird IS the word 11/09/2020 at 21:15

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I’m 6’2” and fit perfectly, get a less weird torso my dude . 

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > Stef Schrader 11/09/2020 at 21:18

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You are correct (as is CB). Convertibles are great for about 6 hours a year: the rest of the time give me a solid roof over my head like God intended. Especially if I’m doing something that might result in the shiny side ending up on the bottom .

Dead_Elvis, Inc. > CB 11/09/2020 at 21:22

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Teal sucks .

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/09/2020 at 21:29

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If there should be any stereotype around Miatas, it should be for furries. 

interstate366, now In The Industry > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/09/2020 at 21:31

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I’ll take your word for it haha

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/09/2020 at 21:31

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I know it’s an annoying point, but haven’t your FWD cars been Hondas? That being said, I think it has a lot to do with open diff cars. The notorious torque steer culprits are open diff cars, like the GLHS, the Neon SRT4, the MS3, etc. There are 400wtq GTI’s that have none with their LSD. 

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/09/2020 at 21:32

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I’m on a Miata page and it seems like a very high average compared to anywhere else. Or at least Miata owners are more open about it. That and  old Volvos. 

interstate366, now In The Industry > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/09/2020 at 21:35

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Yeah, but even they’ve mostly been open diff.  My brother’s roommate has an MS3 and it holds its own. Haven’t driven the others you mentioned, though.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Milky 11/09/2020 at 21:35

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I’m 6' with a long torso, and it totally depends on the generation. I fit fine in an NA, the NB is a bit narrow but height wise I'm fine, I haven't been in an NC(but from what I've gathered I'd fit the best here), and I stare at the windshield frame of the ND RF at least. Which is odd, because I've driven a non-RF and I fit fine-ish. 

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/09/2020 at 21:36

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Torque steer is kind of fun though, so I still don’t really know the complaint there. That being said, I haven't had fun in a FWD since I've really driven a fun RWD car. 

Milky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/09/2020 at 21:42

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Clinically depressed Miata posting? I’m on that page and while it’s a small weird Miata group the amount  furry content is uncomfortable.  

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Milky 11/09/2020 at 21:44

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Yes.

bison78 > CB 11/09/2020 at 21:49

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My take: Miatas are only suitable for people with short legs.

bison78 > My bird IS the word 11/09/2020 at 21:51

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I’m too tall for an na miata at 6'1". That should be all you need to know IMO

I am (well, was) 5'11 and am too tall for an NA Miata.

bison78 > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 11/09/2020 at 21:53

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Convertibles are great for about 6 hours a ye ar:

Move to CA.

Just Jeepin' > Stef Schrader 11/09/2020 at 21:54

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Pthbbbbbbt.

bison78 > just-a-scratch 11/09/2020 at 21:55

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Boxer engines sound like garbage.

As the former owner of two Al fa Romeos and a Citroen that were powered by Boxer engines, I can tell you that your take is garbage.

Just Jeepin' > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 11/09/2020 at 21:55

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You definitely posted that one to the right thread.

Just Jeepin' > Dead_Elvis, Inc. 11/09/2020 at 21:56

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BANNED.

Milky > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/09/2020 at 21:56

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I’ve spent some time in the RF too and I think the roof is a tiny bit lower, might make it feel like the whole top area is closer.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Milky 11/09/2020 at 22:00

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It’s enough difference to make it uncomfortable. 

interstate366, now In The Industry > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/09/2020 at 22:04

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That’s fair. I definitely can’t push the Prelude as hard in twisties as the other cars, but since the tires on it are 5-6 years old now I wonder if that has anything to do with it. The Aristo is on Falken FK510s and the TL has brand-new Potenza RE980s.

Stef Schrader > Just Jeepin' 11/09/2020 at 22:09

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Ppfftttbtbbbtttt.

(I do have a weird exception for open off-roading, though. It’s the slower speeds. Less hair in my face, less chance of losing a hat, more dirt in a place that’s chill with it.)

Just Jeepin' > Stef Schrader 11/09/2020 at 22:14

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I will admit, being bald gives me a few advantages.

notsomethingstructural > CB 11/09/2020 at 22:21

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Mustangs are stupid and bad

notsomethingstructural > just-a-scratch 11/09/2020 at 22:26

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The CVT is the worst opinion in this thread by a mile

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind 11/09/2020 at 22:28

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WilliamsSW > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/09/2020 at 22:39

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I’m biased because the FWD cars I’ve owned were all 80s and 90s GM or Ford crap. The only one that had good power (Sunbird turbo convertible with a manual) would fight hard in first gear.

I’m sure they’re better now, but I've test driven new Audis and I still don't like the nose heavy feel.  

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > bison78 11/09/2020 at 22:44

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False, I have short legs, but a long torso any only comfortably fit in half of the Miatas. 

fhrblig > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 11/09/2020 at 22:57

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Me too.  And Ferraris (except the 456 for some reason).

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > bison78 11/09/2020 at 22:58

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I already live somewhere that has weather about hal fway between San Fran and LA (Auckland, NZ): w eather (or at least cold/wet weather) isn’t the main problem. The main problem is even when the weather’s right, the noise/wind/sunburn/lack of aircon reduces the amount (and length) of times that havi ng the top down is actually enjoyable to a small enough number that it ’s not worth the compromises.

YMMV, of course. And they certainly have their place. T he wife and I have a tradition of heading to the Southern Alps with a classic convertible rental car for major anniversa ries: n ext year’s our 20th and I have an Alfa Spider booked for a week. I’m jus t not in any great rush to own one.

Targas, however, are a different story. Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict m yself. I am large, I contain multitudes.

fhrblig > WilliamsSW 11/09/2020 at 22:59

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On an enthusiast website, isn’t that a popular opinion?

WilliamsSW > fhrblig 11/09/2020 at 23:03

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Maybe somewhat, but there are a lot of fwd hot hatches out there that people love.

Just read your post btw- great post,  and that's what really sucks about this ending.

fhrblig > WilliamsSW 11/09/2020 at 23:07

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Thanks, I appreciate that.

I did love my CRX, though in my natural fashion I did it completely wrong. I had an ‘87 CRX DX with a 74 hp carbureted 12-valve and an automatic. It was so much fun to drive fast in corners, though.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Stef Schrader 11/10/2020 at 00:16

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RF

Mark Tucker > CB 11/10/2020 at 00:16

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I did the Miata thing for eight years, and had a ton of fun, but I have no desire to do it again.

I refuse to call this a “garbage take,” because I’m right, but... there is such a thing as too much horsepower, and most cars reached it about 10-15 years ago. No one needs a 300 horsepower crossover.

Also, Germany hasn’t produced a car worth owning in about 30 years .

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Mark Tucker 11/10/2020 at 00:19

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yes

“ I refuse to call this a “garbage take,” because I’m right, but... there is such a thing as too much horsepower, and most cars reached it about 10-15 years ago. No one needs a 300 horsepower crossover.”

Dead_Elvis, Inc. > Just Jeepin' 11/10/2020 at 01:43

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I feel like I’ve finally accomplished something here! If we’re going down in flames, might as well get in some good, last-minute shitposting.

Fuck the herbs!

nerd_racing > Just Jeepin' 11/10/2020 at 07:31

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Does carrying a spare outside of the vehicle even count though?

nerd_racing > CB 11/10/2020 at 07:34

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Modern VW cars are junk, when they breakdown they fail much more catastrophically and costly than most other brands. 

Just Jeepin' > nerd_racing 11/10/2020 at 07:34

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Absolutely!

My bird IS the word > subexpression 11/10/2020 at 07:38

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Hot hatches are kinda a waste of money. They just aren't that fun to misbehave in.

i86hotdogs > CB 11/10/2020 at 07:39

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*cracks knuckles*

Most German vehicles do nothing for me: BMW, MB, and VW stick out the most.

95% of what people look for in a vehicle can be satisfied with buying a van or minivan

Manuals are fun, but not necessary in all vehicles

The plethora of safety features in cars are weakening our driving skills

I’d rather have a higher powered vehicle with poor chassis and ride (Challenger) than a moderately powered vehicle with a good chassis and ride (BRZ/86)

Intake and exhaust upgrades and aftermarket wheels and tires can be considered a “build” if you do it yourself.

interstate366, now In The Industry > WilliamsSW 11/10/2020 at 08:07

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That’s understandable, but it’s frustrating to have people be dismissive of cars you enjoy solely  because of the driven wheels.

WilliamsSW > interstate366, now In The Industry 11/10/2020 at 10:25

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Well I did post it to a bad opinion thread :)  and I've driven the GTI and really liked it-plus I know I'm missing out on the Fist and Fost.

interstate366, now In The Industry > WilliamsSW 11/10/2020 at 10:44

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There’s also the Si and Type R, though in the case of the latter I can understand the looks being off-putting. I don’t mind them, I just don’t like red interiors and that’s all it’s offered in.

Stef Schrader > gmporschenut also a fan of hondas 11/10/2020 at 12:10

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More parts to break. Fixed roof > *.